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Anthony is joined by Casey Dreier, Chief of Space Policy at The Planetary Society, and Eric Berger, Senior Space Editor at Ars Technica, to talk about the NASA 2026 budget proposal, the Jared Isaacman saga, and all the space policy storylines you could imagine.Topics<ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/offnominal">Off-Nominal - YouTube</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgvzo1EoaoI">Episode 201 - Bad Ass, But Also Bad (with Casey Dreier and Eric Berger) (with Casey Dreier and Eric Berger) - YouTube</a></li><li><a href="https://www.planetary.org/articles/nasa-2026-budget-proposal-in-charts">NASA's disastrous 2026 budget proposal in… | The Planetary Society</a></li><li><a href="https://www.thespacereview.com/article/5006/1">The Space Review: How NASA’s proposed budget cuts are felt across the Atlantic</a></li><li><a href="https://www.thespacereview.com/article/5007/1">The Space Review: NASA’s 2026 budget in brief: Unprecedented, unstrategic, and wasteful</a></li><li><a href="https://dashboards.planetary.org/">The Planetary Society’s NASA Data Dashboards</a></li><li><a href="https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/06/what-might-have-been-at-jared-isaacmans-nasa/">Isaacman’s bold plan for NASA: Nuclear ships, seven-crew Dragons, accelerated Artemis - Ars Technica</a></li><li><a href="https://spacenews.com/the-administrations-anti-consensus-mars-plan-will-fail/">The administration’s anti-consensus Mars plan will fail - SpaceNews</a></li><li><a href="https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/06/starships-rough-year-gets-worse-after-a-late-night-explosion-in-south-texas/">SpaceX’s next Starship just blew up on its test stand in South Texas - Ars Technica</a></li><li><a href="https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/06/she-was-a-disney-star-with-platinum-records-but-bridgit-mendler-gave-it-up-to-change-the-world/">She was a Disney star with platinum records, but Bridgit Mendler gave it up to change the world - Ars Technica</a></li></ul>Follow Casey<ul><li><a href="https://www.planetary.org/profiles/casey-dreier">Casey Dreier | The Planetary Society</a></li><li><a href="https://www.planetary.org/">The Planetary Society</a></li></ul>Follow Eric<ul><li><a href="https://arstechnica.com/author/ericberger/">Eric Berger | Ars Technica</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/sciguyspace">Eric Berger (@SciGuySpace) / X</a></li></ul>Follow Off-Nominal<ul><li><a href="https://offnom.com/subscribe">Subscribe to the show! - Off-Nominal</a></li><li><a href="https://offnom.com/discord">Support the show, join the Discord</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/offnom/">Off-Nominal (@offnom) / Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://spacey.space/@offnom">Off-Nominal (@offnom@spacey.space) - Spacey Space</a></li></ul>Follow Jake<ul><li><a href="http://www.wemartians.com/">WeMartians Podcast - Follow Humanity's Journey to Mars</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/we_martians">WeMartians Podcast (@We_Martians) | Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/jakeonorbit">Jake Robins (@JakeOnOrbit) | Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://spacey.space/@jakeonorbit">Jake Robins (@JakeOnOrbit@spacey.space) - Spacey Space</a></li></ul>Follow Anthony<ul><li><a href="https://mainenginecutoff.com/">Main Engine Cut Off</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/wehavemeco">Main Engine Cut Off (@WeHaveMECO) | Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://spacey.space/@meco">Main Engine Cut Off (@meco@spacey.space) - Spacey Space</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/acolangelo">Anthony Colangelo (@acolangelo) | Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://jawns.club/@acolangelo">Anthony Colangelo (@acolangelo@jawns.club) - jawns.club 🐘</a></li></ul>Off-Nominal Merchandise<ul><li><a href="https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/226366993/off-nominal-print_off-nominal-back-print_mockup_Front_Flat_Charcoal-Black-Triblend.png?auto=format&fit=max&w=1500">Off-Nominal Logo Tee</a></li><li><a href="https://shop.wemartians.com/">WeMartians Shop</a> | <a href="https://shop.mainenginecutoff.com/">MECO Shop</a></li></ul>

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201 - Bad Ass, But Also Bad (with Casey Dreier and Eric Berger)

Jake and Anthony are joined by Matt Gjertsen, founder of Better Every Day Studios, to talk about leadership and management development in the space industry (and elsewhere!).Topics<ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/offnominal">Off-Nominal - YouTube</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC79T_guIug">Episode 200 - On the Interstages of Giants (with Matt Gjertsen) - YouTube</a></li><li><a href="https://bettereverydaystudios.com/">Better Every Day Studios</a></li></ul>Follow Matt<ul><li><a href="https://leadershiplaunchpad.captivate.fm/listen">Easily listen to Leadership Launchpad – Team Development, & Performance Improvement for Aerospace & Technology Managers in your podcast app of choice</a></li><li><a href="https://vhtb.captivate.fm/listen">Easily listen to A VC, a Headhunter, and a Trainer Walk into a Bar in your podcast app of choice</a></li></ul>Follow Off-Nominal<ul><li><a href="https://offnom.com/subscribe">Subscribe to the show! - Off-Nominal</a></li><li><a href="https://offnom.com/discord">Support the show, join the Discord</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/offnom/">Off-Nominal (@offnom) / Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://spacey.space/@offnom">Off-Nominal (@offnom@spacey.space) - Spacey Space</a></li></ul>Follow Jake<ul><li><a href="http://www.wemartians.com/">WeMartians Podcast - Follow Humanity's Journey to Mars</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/we_martians">WeMartians Podcast (@We_Martians) | Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/jakeonorbit">Jake Robins (@JakeOnOrbit) | Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://spacey.space/@jakeonorbit">Jake Robins (@JakeOnOrbit@spacey.space) - Spacey Space</a></li></ul>Follow Anthony<ul><li><a href="https://mainenginecutoff.com/">Main Engine Cut Off</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/wehavemeco">Main Engine Cut Off (@WeHaveMECO) | Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://spacey.space/@meco">Main Engine Cut Off (@meco@spacey.space) - Spacey Space</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/acolangelo">Anthony Colangelo (@acolangelo) | Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://jawns.club/@acolangelo">Anthony Colangelo (@acolangelo@jawns.club) - jawns.club 🐘</a></li></ul>Off-Nominal Merchandise<ul><li><a href="https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/226366993/off-nominal-print_off-nominal-back-print_mockup_Front_Flat_Charcoal-Black-Triblend.png?auto=format&fit=max&w=1500">Off-Nominal Logo Tee</a></li><li><a href="https://shop.wemartians.com/">WeMartians Shop</a> | <a href="https://shop.mainenginecutoff.com/">MECO Shop</a></li></ul>

200 - On the Interstages of Giants (with Matt Gjertsen)

It returns. Hot drama. Also a moon lander is happening right now. Also Twitter fights break out. Also a moon lander doesn’t happen.Topics<ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/offnominal">Off-Nominal - YouTube</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGelDOMEXKQ">Episode 199 - The Thing That We Grow Plants - YouTube</a></li><li><a href="https://spacenews.com/isaacman-people-with-axes-to-grind-about-musk-caused-withdrawn-nasa-nomination/">Isaacman: people with ‘axes to grind’ about Musk caused withdrawn NASA nomination - SpaceNews</a></li><li><a href="https://spacenews.com/white-house-to-withdraw-isaacman-nomination-to-lead-nasa/">White House to withdraw Isaacman nomination to lead NASA - SpaceNews</a></li><li><a href="https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/nasa-copes-with-details-of-6-billion-budget-cut-leadership-uncertainty/">NASA Copes with Details of $6 Billion Budget Cut, Leadership Uncertainty – SpacePolicyOnline.com</a></li><li><a href="https://spacenews.com/nasa-withdraws-support-for-conferences/">NASA withdraws support for conferences - SpaceNews</a></li><li><a href="https://spacenews.com/commercial-space-companies-to-fund-launch-range-upgrades-under-4-billion-contract/">Commercial space companies to fund launch range upgrades under $4 billion contract - SpaceNews</a></li><li><a href="https://spacenews.com/chinese-launch-startup-conducts-vertical-takeoff-and-splashdown-test/">Chinese launch startup conducts vertical takeoff and splashdown test - SpaceNews</a></li><li><a href="https://x.com/kaitlancollins/status/1930696232747332014">Kaitlan Collins on X</a>: “As their blowup escalates, Trump suggests terminating Musk’s federal contracts.”</li><li><a href="https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1930697811307409500">Eric Berger on X</a>: “This would both end the International Space Station and simultaneously provide no way to safely deorbit it.”</li><li><a href="https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930698593100599462">Elon Musk on X</a>: “This just gets better and better 🤣🤣 Go ahead, make my day …”</li><li><a href="https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930703865801810022">Elon Musk on X</a>: “Time to drop the really big bomb: @realDonaldTrump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJT!”</li></ul>Follow Off-Nominal<ul><li><a href="https://offnom.com/subscribe">Subscribe to the show! - Off-Nominal</a></li><li><a href="https://offnom.com/discord">Support the show, join the Discord</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/offnom/">Off-Nominal (@offnom) / Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://spacey.space/@offnom">Off-Nominal (@offnom@spacey.space) - Spacey Space</a></li></ul>Follow Jake<ul><li><a href="http://www.wemartians.com/">WeMartians Podcast - Follow Humanity's Journey to Mars</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/we_martians">WeMartians Podcast (@We_Martians) | Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/jakeonorbit">Jake Robins (@JakeOnOrbit) | Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://spacey.space/@jakeonorbit">Jake Robins (@JakeOnOrbit@spacey.space) - Spacey Space</a></li></ul>Follow Anthony<ul><li><a href="https://mainenginecutoff.com/">Main Engine Cut Off</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/wehavemeco">Main Engine Cut Off (@WeHaveMECO) | Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://spacey.space/@meco">Main Engine Cut Off (@meco@spacey.space) - Spacey Space</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/acolangelo">Anthony Colangelo (@acolangelo) | Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://jawns.club/@acolangelo">Anthony Colangelo (@acolangelo@jawns.club) - jawns.club 🐘</a></li></ul>Off-Nominal Merchandise<ul><li><a href="https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/226366993/off-nominal-print_off-nominal-back-print_mockup_Front_Flat_Charcoal-Black-Triblend.png?auto=format&fit=max&w=1500">Off-Nominal Logo Tee</a></li><li><a href="https://shop.wemartians.com/">WeMartians Shop</a> | <a href="https://shop.mainenginecutoff.com/">MECO Shop</a></li></ul>

199 - The Thing That We Grow Plants

Jake and Anthony figure out if we should panic about Starship, or just Starship Block 2, or not.Topics<ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/offnominal">Off-Nominal - YouTube</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvVYbkVLRQY">Episode 198 - Gotahm - YouTube</a></li><li><a href="https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=starship-flight-9">Starship’s Ninth Flight Test - SpaceX - Launches</a></li><li><a href="https://fireflyspace.com/news/northrop-grumman-invests-50-million-in-firefly-aerospace-to-advance-medium-launch-vehicle-named-eclipse/">Northrop Grumman Invests $50 Million in Firefly Aerospace to Advance Medium Launch Vehicle Named Eclipse™</a></li><li><a href="https://www.northropgrumman.com/who-we-are/new-northrop-grumman-logo">Introducing the new Northrop Grumman logo. | Northrop Grumman</a></li><li><a href="https://spacenews.com/rocket-labs-neutron-tapped-for-u-s-military-cargo-test/">Rocket Lab's Neutron tapped for U.S. military cargo test - SpaceNews</a></li></ul>Follow Off-Nominal<ul><li><a href="https://offnom.com/subscribe">Subscribe to the show! - Off-Nominal</a></li><li><a href="https://offnom.com/discord">Support the show, join the Discord</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/offnom/">Off-Nominal (@offnom) / Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://spacey.space/@offnom">Off-Nominal (@offnom@spacey.space) - Spacey Space</a></li></ul>Follow Jake<ul><li><a href="http://www.wemartians.com/">WeMartians Podcast - Follow Humanity's Journey to Mars</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/we_martians">WeMartians Podcast (@We_Martians) | Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/jakeonorbit">Jake Robins (@JakeOnOrbit) | Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://spacey.space/@jakeonorbit">Jake Robins (@JakeOnOrbit@spacey.space) - Spacey Space</a></li></ul>Follow Anthony<ul><li><a href="https://mainenginecutoff.com/">Main Engine Cut Off</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/wehavemeco">Main Engine Cut Off (@WeHaveMECO) | Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://spacey.space/@meco">Main Engine Cut Off (@meco@spacey.space) - Spacey Space</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/acolangelo">Anthony Colangelo (@acolangelo) | Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://jawns.club/@acolangelo">Anthony Colangelo (@acolangelo@jawns.club) - jawns.club 🐘</a></li></ul>Off-Nominal Merchandise<ul><li><a href="https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/226366993/off-nominal-print_off-nominal-back-print_mockup_Front_Flat_Charcoal-Black-Triblend.png?auto=format&fit=max&w=1500">Off-Nominal Logo Tee</a></li><li><a href="https://shop.wemartians.com/">WeMartians Shop</a> | <a href="https://shop.mainenginecutoff.com/">MECO Shop</a></li></ul>

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